dionne, columnist for "the washington post" and senior fellow at the brookings institution, and, of course, a fellow academic, a professor at georgetown. good to see you tonight. >> good to be with you. >> thanks. i was watching last night. from what i saw, this looked like -- out of this from your perspective at this point. >> maybe define intervention is the most realistic solution to this problem. i mean, what you've got here, i think there's so many interesting analogies to the 1850s, to pick up on your civil war analogy, when we were divided. now, thank god we're not talking about secession and slavery, but what you have here is a large determined minority inside the republican caucus that just don't want to make a deal. they are saying things that are way outside the mainstream view, really doesn't matter if we don't raise the debt ceiling, we can get through default, it won't be a big deal. now, john boehner doesn't believe that, mitch mcconnell doesn't believe that, but boehnor seems unable to move toward any kind of agreement, partly because he's worried about his own fate in this